I’ve written many articles on dismissive avoidants but this one is the hardest to write because it’s about me – my story as a dismissive avoidant ex. Some success stories on what made me go back to an ex, but much more about why my relationships didn’t work out.
I’m a very private person and do not have a social media presence to brag about for a reason. The only reason I’m on the internet is because I believe I can help others, and they are the focus of my online work. But lately many comments and questions on my blog are about how I know so much about how dismissive avoidants handle break-ups. Many of these comments and questions are from dismissive avoidants themselves. I’ve been able to respond without delving much into my own personal life and relationships history, but when one dismissive avoidant client asked me if I was a “secret” dismissive avoidant, I thought that was really funny. I laughed it off and told him, “maybe I am.” Days later, I knew it was time I ventured out of my comfort zone and revealed some things about me; and hopefully provide more insight into how dismissive avoidants handle break-ups from the perspective of someone who had a dismissive avoidant attachment. Here goes vulnerability.
Securely attached briefly leaned dismissive avoidant
I know so much about how dismissive avoidants handle break-ups, why they leave, why they often reach out and why they come back because for seven years of my adult life, I was securely attached leaning dismissive avoidant (hard).
My primary attachment style is secure – thanks to an upbringing with multiple nurturing caregivers. The African saying, “It takes a village to raise a child” is not just a saying but a reality for most Africans. There is a socio-economic and attachment element to this, but because most African children are raised to seek comfort and care from multiple secure caregivers, they mostly grow up calm, trusting and not resistant to being loved and cared for. Something I’m forever grateful for.
The flip side of my African upbringing is that there was so much pressure then for a woman be married before 20 years of age. At the age of 27, you’re considered “too old” for marriage and children. I felt the pressure to get married but I also wanted a post-grad education, go places, be someone who made a difference and just do me, so I rebelled and found myself a dismissive avoidant. It felt like I had to choose between “being me” and “being in a relationship”, I chose me. But being primarily secure, I struggled a lot and as a dismissive avoidant ex, I didn’t handle relationships and break-ups well.
Because I was primarily securely attached – I was a loving and caring dismissive avoidant. I had no problem expressing my feelings and needs and creating a safe space for someone to express their feelings and needs. I was consistently available and responsive but I didn’t want someone wanting more of my time and space than I wanted to give them. I didn’t want them expecting intimacy or expecting me to commit to a date or do anything they asked because it felt like pressure to meet their needs. But most of all, I didn’t want someone suffocating me and literally sucking the life out of me claiming it was love.
I was aware of my ability to detach and shut people out and it scared me
I went on dates with the intention of falling in love – and had no problem attracting guys. Most of my friends had and have always been guy-friends, and going to a guy I like, flirting and striking up a conversation comes naturally to me. The problem for me was when someone started showing signs that they really liked me – wanting contact everyday, hovering around me in social events, saying or doing “nice” things for me in excess, calling me Darling, Babe, Honey etc. – or started acting needy and clingy. Then I started to feel like they needed me to be happy and I didn’t want to be responsible for them – their happiness, thoughts, feelings, decisions etc.
Sometimes, I started thinking about breaking up with someone right from the start if a guy seemed to fall in love too quickly and too hard. I saw it as a flaw and sometimes it scared me that I could exploit it and hurt them. I didn’t have this fear as someone securely attached, deep inside I knew that I was incapable of intentionally hurting someone else. But as a dismissive avoidant, I was more aware of my ability to detach, shut people out and hurt them.
Ironically, my ability to detach and shut people out also gave me more confidence than I had as someone securely attached. With hindsight, I believe that some of that confidence came from the fact that I didn’t need or want someone else. I didn’t want to know what they were doing, thinking or feeling – and didn’t want them asking me what I am doing, thinking or feeling. This is probably why guys who “talk too much” instantly turned me off. I felt that they’d have a hard time respecting my boundaries, and I didn’t want to deal with someone like that.
Being a dismissive avoidant changed my thinking, my feelings, view of relationships
We were good as long as they kept their thoughts and feelings to themselves and were responsible for themselves – and didn’t try to probe into my thoughts or feelings or make me responsible for theirs. This didn’t mean I didn’t care about them, I did. If they wanted to talk about something “serious” that bothered them, I was present, attentive and supportive. I just didn’t care for the mundane stuff like how their day was, their worries about this or that, and dwelling on stuff that seemed so trivial and inconsequential. We didn’t need to talk about everything, and they didn’t need to know about everything I was feeling or thinking. To me, what’s that got to do with anything? I was still in the relationship, and doing my best to show I care and that should be enough.
My thinking was, “I don’t want a relationship, but you want a relationship. I’m trying to give you what you want but if it’s not enough for you, then leave. I’m not going to stop you or come running after you”. I know, really messed up (but there’s some truth to it).
Most people would find not wanting to be in “a relationship” strange especially for a woman, but relationships just weren’t that important to me. And if I didn’t know better, I’d have sworn I invented the phrase “relationships are overrated”. Now that I’m a relationships coach helping exes get back together, my exes make jokes about it.
Though my dismissive avoidance was mainly driven by commitment gamophobia, being a dismissive avoidant changed my thinking, my feelings, and my view of people in relationships (as needy, weak, unhappy on their own). Sometimes it felt like as someone securely attached I had been on “drive” gear cruising away smooth, secure and happy to be in a relationship. I didn’t need to be in one, but being in one added to my happiness. But as a dismissive avoidant I was on “neutral” gear; sitting still watching couples driving by in their relationships and sneering “It must be nice.” I didn’t like where I was, but I also didn’t want to be them, if that makes sense.
You can’t lose what you don’t want or miss what you never wanted
Being a dismissive avoidant also changed how I felt when a relationship ended and how I handled break-ups. You may have read that dismissive avoidants feel relief and burst of energy and excitement after a break-up, that’s true but that’s only part of the story. As a dismissive avoidant ex, sometimes I felt relief when a relationship ended, but sometimes I felt angry. Angry that I tried and it was never enough for my ex. Other times I felt like a really bad person for hurting someone who tried to love me. I’d immediately offer a friendship, and go out of my way to be there for them as a way of “making it up to them” because I genuinely cared for them.
I felt bad for hurting someone, but I didn’t feel sad about the break-up not because I was a dismissive avoidant narcissist without remorse, but because it was easier not to think, talk or be bothered about a relationship, the break-up, an ex… and just keep moving forward. If I caught myself reflecting on what happened, I quickly snapped out of it and distracted myself with something else. Eventually, I just didn’t think about an ex at all, unless they reached out or I saw something that reminded me of them. I’d think about them briefly but not dwell on it. No depressive episode, nostalgia kicking in or longing for an ex – none of that.
Somehow not thinking, talking or dealing with the emotions of a break-up made me feel untouchable and unbreakable. I had this “you can’t lose what you don’t want or miss what you never wanted” wall around my heart and not even a break-up would break it. It was a separation defensive mechanism I’d never experienced as someone securely attached from childhood.
I initiated most of the break-ups – or had already broken up with them in my head
As you might expect, I initiated most of the break-ups and even when a guy finally got fed up with my dismissive avoidant inability to prioritize them and the relationship and broke up with me, I had already thought about breaking up. I’d feel bad that that’s what it came to, but it is what it is.
As someone securely attached , “I miss you” came naturally and easily from an authentic place. I never even thought about it as something I had to be careful saying to someone. But as a dismissive avoidant ex, I never ever said “I miss you” or “I miss you too?”
If they asked me if I missed them, it irritated me. It’s like keep your feelings to yourself, I don’t want to hear about them. Based on what I hear from dismissive avoidants and people trying to attract back a dismissive avoidant ex, they don’t say “I miss you” or “I miss you too?” because it might give the impression that they’re sitting around sad and miserable without their ex.
In the 7 years of being a dismissive avoidant, I may have said “I love you” once or twice, but soon after freaked out wondering if I gave the guy the impression I wanted a relationship, commitment or to get married. I remember not responding to one guy’s calls for almost a month after I told him I loved him and he started acting “needy and clingy”. Every time he called, my stomach turned and I felt sick. I finally responded to his call and broke up with him on the phone.
I may have reached out to only two or three exes after a break-up
I may have reached out to two or three exes after a break-up mainly to check on how they we’re doing. Some of them were not what I would confidently call exes, because we went out on a few dates before things ended. The closest I came to being intimate was maybe a hug or kiss. I always needed lots of time to decide if I wanted more intimacy; but at the same time I didn’t want to give up my personal time to get to know them.
If an ex reached out to me after a break-up, my response would depend on if I thought they were a “good human being” or “not a good human being”. I didn’t know about attachment styles then and went by how someone treated me before the break-up and how they handled the break-up.
If an ex reached out and they were “not a good human being”, I’d feel angry that they were contacting me and either didn’t respond or responded to tell them to never contact me again. How I handled break-ups as a dismissive avoidant ex was different from how I responded as someone securely attached. As a dismissive avoidant ex, I had less empathy and patience and more judgement and irritation. “Not a good human being” was someone who didn’t treat me well (especially if I felt that I tried hard) and after the break-up acted mean, unkind and vengeful. It didn’t matter if they contacted me two days after the break-up or two decades after the break-up, I wanted nothing to do with them.
If they were a “good human being” I’d respond warmly. It didn’t matter if they contacted me the next day after the break-up, months or years later, I responded because they were good to me and I still really liked them. Being needy and clingy didn’t turn me off a person, being needy and clingy turned me off the relationship. It felt good to be talking to them again but I didn’t feel any sadness or longing for them. I still have the same warm feeling years later talking to them, but I don’t want them back. I moved on and they moved. We’re good friends and will always be good friends.
I only got back together with two exes because I felt safe coming back
In the 7 years I was a dismissive avoidant, I came back and got back together with two exes and that’s because we kept some form of connection and there was respect and goodwill n both sides.. With the exes I didn’t go back to, I just deactivated and ghosted them. I just faded out after a disagreement with some exes, to this day we still don’t agree on who broke up with whom. I think they broke up with me, they think I broke up with him. With exes who I now know had an anxious attachment, I stayed away because I didn’t want to come back to complaints and interrogations. All I heard was, “You’re a horrible person. You should treat me better.” As far as I was concerned, I needed space (like any reasonable person would), they couldn’t handle it because they are needy and clingy, and that’s on them. I’m better off without a relationship anyways.
With the exes I came back to, the break-ups were often something we both seemed to agree was good for both of us. I couldn’t do a relationship anymore and they couldn’t take my neglect anymore. There was no “bad blood” and I felt safe coming back often feeling bad and ashamed of my dismissive avoidant “stunts”. I’d try to be a “good girlfriend” for sometime, but there was always that need to “get out and breath” when things got intense or serious. Both of them finally ‘had it” and dumped my ass. It hurt. I cried. I felt that I deserved it but I suppressed my pain and move on.
It doesn’t matter how much time you give a dismissive avoidant to come back
Over the years helping exes get back together, how you handle the break-up plays a big role in how a dismissive avoidant reacts or responds after the break-up. It doesn’t matter if you reach out two days, two months, or two years after the break-up, if you were good to them and if you handle the break-up well, a dismissive avoidant is most likely to respond positively, and even reach out first. But if a dismissive avoidant didn’t form a strong attachment to you, or doesn’t think well of you or how you handled the break-up, it doesn’t matter how much time you give a dismissive avoidant, they’re not going to miss you or come back.
Of course not all dismissive avoidants are alike. Attachment styles exist on a spectrum. Dismissive avoidants like other attachment styles can lean secure, lean fearful and very rarely lean anxious. This affects dismissive avoidants handle break-ups, why they often reach out or why they come back. The traits that all these variations of dismissive avoidants have is that they’re very protective of their independence and would rather be alone than lose themselves in a relationship.
What me want to change a dismissive avoidant attachment?
What make me want to change a dismissive avoidant attachment was not any particular person, relationship or break-up. What made me want to change was because I was so tired of being avoidant – tired of the isolation, tired of acting emotionally unmoved and untouchable, tired of doing everything for myself and not wanting any one’s support, tired of pushing away and being angry at people who tried to love or care for me, tired of being alone.
I knew what it’s like to be secure and I wanted that back so badly. I wanted not to feel so alone anymore, so I went back to where I felt the most loved, the most cared for, the most secure – back home. It’s like when an insecure person earns security from being in a long-term relationship with a secure person, except in my case it was being among multiple people who were secure helped me find myself again.
Most avoidants have to go to therapy or do deep self-work to get to secure, but for me being surrounded by love so real, and being “one of them” was all I needed to remind me of who I really am – someone not resistant to being loved or cared for.
So there you have it. I’m not “a secret dismissive avoidant” – just someone who is trying to help people who do not have a dismissive avoidant attachment style figure out how to relate to it and deal with it. I have since worked through my “relationship with relationships” and I’m now a securely attached relationships coach who not only helps others get back their ex but helps them make a relationship work (Oh! the irony). But for seven years, I hurt people, and broke hearts, including my own. It still bothers me to this day that I did that. The silver lining in all this is that I learned the struggles of a dismissive avoidant attachment, something which if I had remained securely attached all my life, I probably would never fully understand.
Now I think to myself, “How did they do it? How did they love me?”
There is no doubt loving a dismissive avoidant is hard and can take a toll on one’s mental health. Dismissive avoidants show no interest or consideration for your feelings, constantly ignore your needs, disappear for long stretches of time and get angry when you ask for their time or try to get close.
What I learned or gained from being a dismissive avoidant ex is more empathy for people with an anxious attachment style. As a secure person, I took everything in stride and wasn’t affected by what the other person did. I didn’t know about attachment styles them and simply too anxious behaviours as someone who didn’t believe that I could love them. Maybe felt I was “out of their league” and needed me to reassure them that it didn’t bother me. I loved them for who the were. If I needed to, I would talk to them directly about what concerned me or didn’t make me feel safe. But as a dismissive avoidant, people with an anxious attachment annoyed me with their constant need for contact, for my time, for reassurance and validation and their people-pleasing behaviours. Now when I look back at what I put my exes through I think to myself, “How did they do it? How did they love me?” and I realize that I triggered them and they triggered me. It wasn’t always “what’s wrong with them?”, it was also “what’s wrong with me?”
By sharing my story as a dismissive avoidant ex and now an ex back coach, I hope that both sides- anxious attachment and dismissive avoidant can try to understand where the other is coming from and learn not just about an ex’s attachment style but who they are as a person, beyond their attachment style.
There is more to a person than their attachment style
I was dismissive avoidant for only seven years but most dismissive avoidants have been this way since childhood. I can only speak of my experience but want to encourage dismissive avoidants frustrated by the things written about them online to share about their experience from the perspective of a dismissive avoidant.
I’ve had many discussions with dismissive avoidants and some of them have pushed back with “there is more to a person than their attachment style” and “there is more to attraction and compatibility than attachment theory”; and listed personal values, shared goals/interest/hobbies, a sense of humour, adventure etc. It is true that there is more to a person than their attachment style and there is more to attraction and compatibility than attachment theory”, but if we don’t truly understand each other’s core attachment trauma and wounds, why they love the way they love and do the things they do, a relationship will still struggle even with shared personal values, goals, interest, hobbies etc.
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I’ve read many of your articles and I’m a huge fan of your work. I love the deep insight, compassion and empathy you bring to attachment styles. Everyone else says to avoid avoidants and only date SA which I find ridiculous since there are very few SA who are still single. I’m FA who leans DA and have been able to understand myself better reading your material and working with my therapist. I’ve recently started dating again and my question to you is, you say you are back to secure attachment, would you date or be in a relationship with a DA after your experience as DA yourself?
I’ve thought a lot about this. If I were ever single again, I’d definitely foremost date a fellow secure attachment, but like you said, “there are very few SA who are still single”; everyone wants them. Given a choice between anxious attachment, fearful avoidant and dismissive avoidant, I’d date a dismissive avoidant. I understand and can relate much more to DAs having been one myself.
That said, I’d date a self-ware AA or FA. As I’ve mentioned in my articles over and over, every attachment style brings something positive and even healthy to a relationship, and I’d consider the person and their unique qualities over their attachment style any day. As a secure person, I’m confident I can provide the safety and security AAs, FAs and DAs need for the relationship to work.
When I was 23 I broke up with my ex of 5 years and she tried to kill herself. Ever since I’ve had a fear of hurting people who get attached to me. I took 2 tests and both times tested DA. I’m a confident, good-looking guy with many friends and a successful business. I have no problem meeting quality women but my relationships never last more than a few months. The longest relationship was with someone secure, and it lasted a little over a year. Even before they get close, I feel like I’m losing interest in them and the fear of hurting them grows stronger and I force them to break up with me. I’m in therapy and found your blog and story, and feel like there’s hope for me. Keep up the good work.
Yangki you say you felt that someone didn’t need to know about everything you were feeling or thinking, was this because you were afraid of vulnerability or because you didn’t feel heard and listened to? I’ve been with a DA for 2 years and many of our fights are because he just will not open up about what he’s feeling. Sometimes I know that he’s struggling but he will not talk about it even when I use active listening. He says there is no point, leave it alone and walks away literally.
First of all, DA or not, why would anyone want to know about everything another person is thinking or feeling? Most people can’t even make sense of most of their own thoughts and feelings… 🙂
As I mentioned in the article, I had no problem expressing my feelings and needs and creating a safe space for someone to express their feelings and needs. But many DAs are afraid of vulnerability and also don’t feel heard or listened to. In my “one DA to another” discussion with DAs, it seems that the main reason most DAs don’t open up is fear of someone using the information they share to judge, manipulate or control them. If there was one phrase to describe a dismissive avoidant attachment, it would be “fear of being controlled”.
Some DAs have told me that “active listening” techniques advised by many therapist trigger them. They feel that many people trying to restate or reflect back to them don’t often get them and instead feed them what the person thinks they feel or think making them feel judged and manipulated.
People generally open up when they feel safe and 2 years is enough time for most DAs to start opening up. Maybe there is something else that makes him feel unsafe and not opening up is just a way for him to communicate that he does not feel safe. See How to Make An Avoidant Ex Feel Safe Enough To Come Back
Yangki, I chanced on your site ignorant of attachment styles and my DA attachment. After reading your story and seeing myself in you, everything started to make sense. Three months in my healing journey and I feel like I’m finally recognizing my triggers before they happen and instead of deactivating, I try to understand why I’m feeling what I’m feeling and communicate it to my ex. I have been able to do this with family, friends and colleagues and they all see a change in me. I know this is a long journey, and I’ve more work to do but wanted you to know that you changed my life. Thank you, my friend.
I’m humbled. I played a small role, but you “changed your life”. It’s a long journey, but once you’re on it and you see the change it makes, there is no stopping even for a rest….
Sending you love and positive energy, my friend.
Tangki, I’m from India and our cultures are different but also very similar. I’ve been divorced for 2 years and 6 months ago, I met a guy. We have similar backgrounds and families both raised by parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins. We are also both secure and aware of attachment styles. He acts secure most of the time but there’s a dismissive avoidant side of him be claims is because he was sent to boarding school at 7 years old. His parents wanted a better education for him in the city and he’s very successful in his career, but he was deeply traumatized. Have you come across others like him and are they secure or dismissive avoidant? Thanks for your articles, they’ve helped me so much.
Yes, I have. Someone can be primarily secure but dismissive in some relationships and situations or dismissive avoidant leaning secure.
I’ve also come across studies on Boarding School Syndrome or Boarding School Attachment Disorder. Look it up, it’s interesting read.
According to the author of the bestseller Attached, people’s attachment styles change over time. He says research shows that one in four people will change their attachment style over a four-year period.
I don’t usually comment but was glad to find someone who has had a similar experience to what I’m feeling. I’ve always had a secure attachment but over the last few years I’ve noticed that I’ve become avoidant for no apparent reason. I find myself avoiding company and just feel safer being by myself and doing everything on my own. I’ve not been in a relationship that has lasted more than 2 months in the last 5 years. Just the idea of talking to anyone and putting in effort makes me not want to go out on dates. It feels weird, different from anything I’ve ever felt.
I didn’t know attachment styles can change and I’ve been trying to figure out if it was the guys or if it was me. I’ve been secure in all my relationship but now there seems to be a complete shift in my attachment style. I notice that when things get serious I freak out and want to run. Being emotionally and physically close to someone gives me a panic feeling. I’m only in my mid-30s and hope this is not my new normal.
I’m Psychology major student and curious reading about your African background. In my research, I came come across a study on Nso tribe in Cameroon and was first introduced to multiple caregivers and attachment styles. Do you think the original attachment classifications got it right or should there be more studies that factor in the influence of culture and religion on one’s attachment style?
I think that Dr. Mary Ainsworth got it right, btw, her first strange situation experiment was done in my home country of Uganda (1967) and later in Baltimore, USA (1971, 1978). But like all of these kind of studies, there are limitations and certainly the influence of culture and religion is one of them.
Others have argued that the strange situation experiment study sample is biased because it involved 100 middle-class American families. Therefore, it is difficult to generalize the findings outside of America and to working-class families.
I’ve also come across some critics of the original attachment classifications who question it’s validity because it measures mother-child attachment and does not take into account that a child may have different types of attachments e.g., father, older siblings, grandmother etc. Newer studies in Africa and India are looking into the impact of multiple caregivers and multi-generational households on the development of attachment styles.
There is also the nature vs. nurture argument that suggests that innate differences in temperaments plays a role in the differences in attachment styles, and parental care and sensitivity is not the only determinant of attachment styles.
To answer your question, yes there needs to be more studies that look at the influence of culture and religion on one’s attachment style. It’d also be good to have studies on how attachment styles change /develop in adulthood outside of child-caregiver setting.
I’m questioning this myself. My brother and I have different attachment styles, and here’s the kicker, we’re twins !!
We’re 5 siblings, 3 are SA, 1 is FA and I’m AP (I’m the middle child).
Yangki, I’ve studied and read a lot about attachment styles but I’ve never come across someone who was secure but became avoidant. It happened to me after a 21-year marriage to a malignant narcissist. My childhood was in all purpose secure, how I ended up in an abusive relationship is something my therapist and I are working on. Thank you for all you’re doing.
I’m so sorry for what happened to you. It’s possible to be secure and be drawn in by a malignant narcissist. They’re masters of manipulation and pretenses to camouflage their sadistic nature.
Attachment theory mainly focuses on childhood attachment trauma but the effects of adult abuse–trauma on attachment are just as harmful and have serious and long-lasting consequences for the victim. I hope you and your therapist can work through the abuse-trauma and you find your way back to secure attachment.
I’ve had the same experience, only difference is mine lasted 18 years. It has made me very detached, emotionally unavaliable and not trusting any humans at all. I don’t think I will ever feel comfortable being in a romantic relationship ever again. And I was very much in contact with my emotions and secure, empathic, loving and very kind to all in my inner circle – now I’m like a zombie, almost numb without hope.
“Not trusting any humans at all”… “a zombie, almost numb without hope” sounds more serious than just dismissive avoidant attachment.
I don’t know what got you here, but I know that you’re the only one that can get yourself out. Believe it or not, it’s possible to be that “very much in contact with my emotions and secure, empathic, loving and very kind to all” and to feel comfortable being in a romantic relationship again. I’m (and many others) living proof.
I hope you’re getting the help you need. You have to try…. (Big hug!)
For as long as I can remember, I’ve always struggled with connecting with guys. It takes me 8 – 12 months of frequent contact to feel safe to be myself with someone. I was with my current ex for 2 years 3 months, and I rarely reached out unless it was to follow-up on something we had discussed or plan a date. I’m used to being by myself and reaching out felt uncomfortable, it felt like I was relying emotionally on someone who wasn’t going to be in my life forever. Altho, I tried to deal with being more open, I felt a lot of pressure from my ex to get closer and this caused me to get distant and deactivate frequently. In the end, I emotionally detached over time and ended the relationship. I’m starting therapy to work on my attachment trauma but just wanted to thank you for giving us DA’s a safe space and platform to share out experience.
Holy crap! I’m a DA and I identify with so much of this.
I’m a male DA but this is me to a T. I’ve also reached out to a couple of exes and even considered going back but didn’t think it’d be fair to them. My exes were mainly anxious type and very disrespectful which is where I draw the line. I don’t even want them as friends.
I think I have gone from FA to DA after my last breakup. I was expecting to feel relief after 3 years of intense passion followed my intense fights, I went straight to feeling numb. We have been broken up for a year. A few texts here and there but no desire to revisit the breakup.
Thank you for sharing.
Yangki, thank you for sharing your story. Did you play games or did you feel it was a waste of time since you didn’t care about them?
No, I didn’t play mind games. Dismissive avoidants in general don’t play games (that’s more an anxious attachment trait) and are turned off by people who play games. They are similar to securely attached in this way.
But a dismissive avoidant may play games not to make you more attracted to them or miss them but to get revenge for a perceived or real wrongdoing, make you look like a fool or to teach you what they think is a lesson.
Can I ask a question, how did you feel when a date didn’t contact you for days or when an ex didn’t reach out?
It depends on how I felt about them. If I didn’t feel a connection with them (which was 90-98% of the time), I’d not contact them either. As I said in the article, out of sight, out of mind. If I cared about them, I’d wonder why I haven’t heard from them and reach out – out of concern for their well being and not because I was concerned about how they felt about me, or even if I’d said or done something to make them not reach out.
Thank you. What if you had a disagreement, would you reach out to check on them or would you let them reach out to you? How is this different from how you respond as someone securely attached?
As a dismissive avoidant if we had a disagreement, I’d leave them on their own to “get over it” and reach out. If I think I was on the wrong, how long I waited to reach out depended on how upset someone was. If they were very upset I’d wait longer, days even weeks. If they were overly emotional, blaming or seemed unhappy with me and tried to reach out, I’d not respond.
As a secure person, I try to reach out sooner than later, but unlike someone with an anxious attachment, I don’t panic that I might lose them or try to “make” them talk. If they’re not ready to talk, I’d be reassuring and tell them when they’re ready, they can reach out and we’ll talk.
Thank you for putting this into words. It’s really hard to get input from dismissive avoidants.
Hi Yangki, thanks for sharing. 7 years is a long time and makes me wonder if avoidants can change in a decent amount of time. I value closeness, reliability, even with friends. People who are incomfortable with that are no longer a priority to me (i m 47). I m an AP, my ex an FA, I was trying to attract him back because we had strong feelings and wonderful memories together, but I now feel i cannot be happy with someone who regularly needs to withdraw and that it s a waste of energy for both of us.
Am I too pessimistic ?
I don’t think it’s a question of being pessimistic. First of all, avoidants can absolutely change. Everyday I work with many avoidants who either managed to change their attachment style to secure or are working on becoming more secure. But of course, time alone can’t change an insecure attachment style. One has to want to change and do the work.
Second of all, you have every right to want to be with someone who values closeness, reliability, and if someone can’t give you that walk a away. You shouldn’t be expected to put up with avoidant behaviours. That said, anxious preoccupied need to work on being more independent and less co-dependent in a relationship, and not just look at avoidants as the only ones with a problem. Anxious preoccupied’s need for closeness is way more than what even someone with a secure attachment can meet.
You both are insecurely attached which means you both are equally hard to be in a relationship with. One wants too much space and no closeness, and the other wants too much closeness and no space. Both are equally unhealthy.
I’m AP and I actually agree with this. APs need to learn to self soothe, focus on themselves and have some boundaries. Take responsibility and respect yourself enough because no one is going to respect you if you don’t respect yourself.
Incompatible needs.
They don’t have to be if both people are willing to meet each other’s needs.
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I’m a dismissive avoidant and I cried reading this. Thank you.